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Sources

Last updated 2026-09-18. Pre-launch reading of the beta and the BlizzCon demo. Nothing is confirmed.
  • This is the index of everything the site reads: 123 sources, newest checks first.
  • The Paladin class Discord is the primary source; the other class servers are listed for when this expands.
  • 17 Discord invites were checked against Discord’s public endpoint, so the member counts are real.
  • Anything marked “do not use” below is dead or wrong, and is kept so nobody re-adds it.

Blizzard: panels, posts, forums

Anything Blizzard said, with timestamps where the quote matters.

Where news breaks first

Ranked by how early the information lands.

  • Daybreak Forever datamining — Diffs the Forever beta client against Classic Era, TBC Anniversary, Mists Classic and Retail, with build numbers (1.60.1.69913) and dedicated talent and skill sections. The most rigorous provenance found.
  • Wowhead Forever hub — Dedicated Forever news, database and guides. Runs a beta client uploader, so it sees datamined data first. Multiple articles a day during beta.
  • Warcraft Tavern Forever section — Granular datamined content, strongest on professions and items. Multiple posts a day.
  • Icy Veins WoW Forever — Overview, beta access, builds and news. Better at synthesis than raw datamining.
  • Daybreak Forever build diffs — Home of the beta client diff tool; the datamining subpage carries the talent and skill sections.

Discord servers

Member counts were read from Discord’s public invite endpoint on the date shown.

  • Light Club — The Paladin class Discord and the primary source for this site. Seven Forever channels: general, holy, prot, ret, pvp, beta-testing. 50,136 members, 13,569 online as of 2026-09-17.
  • Fight Club — Classic Warrior class Discord. Not the 3k server of the same name. 90,925 members, 24,801 online as of 2026-09-17.
  • Classic Hunter Lodge — Classic Hunter class Discord. 64,990 members, 17,207 online as of 2026-09-17.
  • Rogue Classic — Classic Rogue class Discord. 42,951 members, 11,299 online as of 2026-09-17.
  • Priest Classic — Classic Priest class Discord. 57,413 members, 15,449 online as of 2026-09-17.
  • Shaman Classic — Classic Shaman class Discord. 74,440 members, 20,174 online as of 2026-09-17.
  • Mage Classic — Classic Mage class Discord. 67,418 members, 17,787 online as of 2026-09-17.
  • Warlock Classic — Classic Warlock class Discord. 83,610 members, 21,512 online as of 2026-09-17.
  • Druid Classic — Classic Druid class Discord. 71,891 members, 19,642 online as of 2026-09-17.
  • WoW Portal Room — Blizzard’s official WoW Discord, the only server confirmed Blizzard-run. Hubs 21 partnered servers. 74,641 members, 15,967 online as of 2026-09-17.
  • World of Warcraft — Largest general WoW server. Holds the wow vanity link but is not confirmed official. 171,814 members, 29,283 online as of 2026-09-17.
  • Wowhead — Largest information-focused community server. 125,688 members, 20,422 online as of 2026-09-17.
  • Classic WoW — General Classic community, predates Forever. 48,060 members, 7,947 online as of 2026-09-17.
  • Warcraft Forever EU PvP — Largest Forever-dedicated server, EU, PvE and PvP. 10,871 members, 2,693 online as of 2026-09-17.
  • WoW Forever US/NA — NA Forever community: PvP, PvE, Hardcore, RP. 6,627 members, 2,851 online as of 2026-09-17.
  • WoW Forever NA — Competing NA server that markets itself to theorycrafters. 5,374 members, 2,476 online as of 2026-09-17.
  • Xaryu — Largest verified streamer community server. 43,305 members, 7,168 online as of 2026-09-17.
Reddit
  • r/wowforever — The dedicated Forever subreddit and the active one: beta impression posts, weekly recruitment and Discord megathreads.
  • r/classicwow — Where most Forever discussion and unfiltered sentiment lands, including the demo AMA threads.
  • r/ClassicPlus — Mostly guild recruitment. Lower signal than r/wowforever; listed so it is not mistaken for the main sub.
Calculators and tools
  • talentsforever.com — used for all build links on this site; exposes its transcription as JSON.
  • classicwowforever.com
  • forever.oxm.gg
  • Wowhead Forever talent calculator — now has the talents and the beta data; three builds were posted from it and converted. Its RedoubtRedoubtProtection · Max rank 5 · Changed from ClassicDamaging melee attacks against you have a 10% chance to increase your chance to block by 6%. Lasts 10 sec or 5 blocks.Max rank not read from footage; showing rank 1 text. tooltip is wrong per the Prot channel, and the icons are placeholders. The Holy channel recommends it over wowforevertalents, which wrongly shows IlluminationIlluminationHoly · Max rank 5 · Changed from ClassicAfter getting a critical effect from your Flash of Light, Holy Light, Light's Vigil, or Holy Shock heal spell you have a 40% chance to gain Mana equal to 50% of the base cost of the spell.Requires 15 points in Holy · Requires 3 points in ReverenceMax rank not read from footage; showing rank 2 text. as a prerequisite for Divine FavorDivine FavorHoly · Max rank 1 · Moved37 Mana | Instant | 2 min cooldownWhen activated, gives your next Flash of Light, Holy Light, or Holy Shock spell a 100% critical effect chance.Requires 15 points in HolyAll ranks read from demo footage..
  • wowforevertools.com paladin changes — every paladin talent that is new or changed versus Classic, in one list.
  • forevertalents.up.railway.app — third calculator, used for several PvP-channel builds. The Prot channel calls it janky.
  • wowforevertalents.com — used for the one Prot link, one Ret link and one Holy link. Marks talents as confirmed Forever data versus Classic placeholder. Its spellbook was judged unreliable by the Prot channel, along with all AI-generated overnight sites.
  • hyjal.cc — used for one Ret shockadin link; opaque encoding, so splits cannot be read from the URL.
  • nikftw.github.io/forevertalent — older calculator, missing the Holy Strike talent and out of date per the Ret channel.
  • classicwowforever Holy guide — and class change diff.
  • Goldpip3/wow-forever-tools — a talent calculator, raid buff planner and DPS sim importing the talentsforever data.
  • andycarlson13/foreversims — a Warlock sim with evidence-tiered claims, strict versus projected. The evidence-store pattern is the right template for a Forever paladin model.
  • metammo talent overview — 470 talents, 119 new, 263 reworked, 81 removed.
  • veldt1’s Forever item datamine — an early item dump from the beta client files, posted with the warning “not 100%”.
  • WoW Forever Tools — Talent calculator, class and ability references, dungeon guides, raid roster planner.
  • classicwow.gg Forever tools — Talent and Legacy calculators, 16-point Legacy trees.
  • wowtbc.gg Forever calculator — Another talent calculator.
Guides and explainers
Theorycraft: analyses, sims, spreadsheets

The long-form work the model leans on. The library explains what each one is for.

  • Vault of the Silverhands, Holy Paladin BiS Calculator — (2019). Item index from level 30 to Naxx with three stat-weight presets. The writeup on crit valuation is in its Warcraft Tavern thread.
  • Holy Paladin crit vs mp5 vs +healing comparison — (2019). Small, focused on IlluminationIlluminationHoly · Max rank 5 · Changed from ClassicAfter getting a critical effect from your Flash of Light, Holy Light, Light's Vigil, or Holy Shock heal spell you have a 40% chance to gain Mana equal to 50% of the base cost of the spell.Requires 15 points in Holy · Requires 3 points in ReverenceMax rank not read from footage; showing rank 2 text.-adjusted stat equivalence.
  • Urskrah’s single-target healing efficiency calculator — (2019). Heal per mana and per half-second of cast for every class’s ranks.
  • Zerotorescue’s Holy Paladin model — (Legion). The methodology matters more than the numbers: cast ratios pulled from logs feed a stat-weight model, with an accuracy checker tab. This is the structure the Forever model follows.
  • Despotus Ret DPS sheet — (2019). Toggleable gear, seals, procs.
  • Retherz/RPaladinDamage — A 1.12 addon that estimates Ret DPS in-game. The author is the person correcting coefficient math in the forum threads below.
  • sourcewowsims/tbc (2021): source. Seal twisting hardcoded with a 399 ms twist window before the next swing.
  • sourcewowsims/tbc-new (2026, active): source. APL-driven twisting; only Command and Righteousness are twistable; published stat weights per phase with spell damage worth about a third of attack power for Ret. Prot has default weights too. Holy is a 54-line shell with placeholder weights.
  • sourceTheSorm/RetSim: source. The C# sim Ret players cited in 2021 before wowsims caught up.
  • main documenthypernormalisation/zeal: main document and the Nightfall note. TBC Ret calculation tools with the seal-twisting equations written out. Posted in the Ret channel on September 16 as “mandatory reading for Forever Rets”, half joking; useful as the reference for what a twist window was worth.
  • sourcewowsims/classic (2026, alpha): source. Ret and Prot migrated from the SoD sim. Holy is an unlaunched stub. Open bug: Seal of Righteousness crits in the Ret sim.
  • sourceClassicSim: source. Ret only; the promised healer support never shipped.
  • sourceTyralon/healing_calcs: source. Python TBC and Wrath paladin healing stat-value sim. Read the code for assumptions; the README is one line.
  • sourcetaubut’s raid healing simulator: source. A browser game, but its encounter damage scripts are reusable as damage profiles.
  • Holy Paladin Handbook for Classic WoW — 261 pages, December 2024, by a rank-one Era paladin. The most comprehensive current document.
  • Icy Veins Classic Holy comment thread — The critique is more rigorous than the guide it critiques.
  • Spell coefficients, downranking penalty, math vs reality — Where the “talents multiply base only” correction comes from.
  • The Holy Light: paladin healing — (2007). Downranking penalty tables and the Light’s Grace coefficient note.
  • Askalon’s Light’s Bulwark — Real threat derivations for Prot.
  • Retribution DPS Theorycraft sheets thread — and the seal twisting mechanics explainer.
  • Procs per minute and weapon speed — for Seal of CommandSeal of CommandRetribution · Max rank 1 · Changed from Classic65 Mana | InstantGives the Paladin a chance to deal additional Holy damage equal to 70% of normal weapon damage. Only one Seal can be active on the Paladin at any one time. Lasts 30 sec. Unleashing this Seal's energy will judge an enemy, instantly causing 68 to 73 Holy damage, 137 to 146 if the target is stunned or incapacitated.Requires 10 points in RetributionAll ranks read from demo footage..
  • Banana Shoulders on Intellect — and Blessing of Kings, Normalize IlluminationIlluminationHoly · Max rank 5 · Changed from ClassicAfter getting a critical effect from your Flash of Light, Holy Light, Light's Vigil, or Holy Shock heal spell you have a 40% chance to gain Mana equal to 50% of the base cost of the spell.Requires 15 points in Holy · Requires 3 points in ReverenceMax rank not read from footage; showing rank 2 text.. The crit-as-mana derivations.
  • Kurn, To Beacon or not to Beacon — Raw versus effective transfer math, relevant to Light’s Vigil comparisons.
  • Amazon Basin paladin healing tables — Vanilla-era HPM per rank.
  • Ask Mr. Robot healer sims, parts 1 to 4 — Damage profiles, effective healing, heal styles. The best general writeup.
  • Blessing of Kings, Smart heals — and healiocentric on Chain Heal. Why AoE heals overheal less.
  • ParseCard, evaluating healer parses — and the Warcraft Logs healing event fields. How effective healing is measured from logs.
  • Mana regeneration formula — Spirit regen equals Spirit times the square root of Intellect times a level constant.
  • Elitist Jerks archive — and the Theorycraft Archive wiki.
  • phase-one healer tier list built from Warcraft Logs — Classic: Wowhead’s phase-one healer tier list built from Warcraft Logs.
  • Wowhead — TBC: Wowhead and Warcraft Tavern both land on one Holy Paladin per raid as the tank healer, with three paladins total for Blessings. timesaver.gg gives a concrete six-healer Black Temple comp.
  • wowmeta’s daily Warcraft Logs tier list — Season of Discovery: wowmeta’s daily Warcraft Logs tier list, Archon’s healer rankings, and Archon’s per-boss cast tables showing Beacon at about 75% overheal.
  • classicdb.ch — Classic 1.12 spell database — 1.12 spell tooltips with exact rank values. Used for Blessing of Light rank 3 at level 60 (+400 Holy Light, +115 Flash of Light), which resolved the Flash of Light residual in the healing model.
Community: streams, threads, relayed statements
  • Major Design Concerns for Paladin — Official forum thread collecting design concerns from the paladin community: Major Design Concerns for Paladin. Reply 61 is the Twist of LightTwist of LightRetribution · Max rank 1 · New in ForeverWhen you replace your Seal of Command, Seal of Righteousness, Seal of Fury, or Seal of Justice with a different Seal, gain an Echo. Your next melee attack applies the replaced Seal's effects, consuming the Echo.Requires 30 points in Retribution · Requires Level 40All ranks read from demo footage. critique the Ret channel points to. One channel member was suspended for a reply there with no bad language.
  • Savix stream VOD, PvP vendor segment — honor sets and tokens as seen in the demo. Posted in the Prot channel.
  • Savix dungeon VOD, level 38 Ret — Holy Strike every 12 seconds, Judgement every 8, no resealing. Esfand’s day-one stream is the only other Ret footage anyone could name; no link posted.
  • Esfand live, September 16: “Talking About WoW… Forever” — asked via superchat, Esfand called the Ret capstone bad and said he pushes TBC twisting in all his feedback; he did not answer whether twisting is coming.
  • First look at Protection Paladin (BlizzCon 2026 hands-on) — pinned in the Prot channel: early rotation, talents and gear from the demo floor. Divine Shield does not stop blocking; the Undead racial procs about four times in 10 seconds at 16:50. Its author likes the Judgement taunt overall.
  • Maitoz on healing meters and parses — pinned in the Holy channel as the answer to “do healing parses matter”.
  • First look at the new Forever dungeon — includes the Consecration crit footage cited in the Ret channel.
  • Rank 14 paladin PvP video — cited as the origin of shockadin’s popularity.
  • Esfand and Stormfall on Forever going “realmless” — one server per region, sharded by ruleset and language per the channel’s reading.

Class Discords, one per class

Every invite below resolved on 2026-09-17. All are Classic-lineage, which matches Forever’s client.

ClassServerInviteMembersOnline
WarriorFight Clubopen90,92524,801
WarlockWarlock Classicopen83,61021,512
ShamanShaman Classicopen74,44020,174
DruidDruid Classicopen71,89119,642
MageMage Classicopen67,41817,787
HunterClassic Hunter Lodgeopen64,99017,207
PriestPriest Classicopen57,41315,449
PaladinLight Clubopen50,13613,569
RogueRogue Classicopen42,95111,299

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How this page is maintained

The registry is sources.json at the repo root, one entry per source with its kind, what it is good for, when it was added and when its link was last verified. node scripts/sources.ts render rewrites this page from it, verify re-checks every URL and refreshes Discord member counts, and add appends a new source. Edit the registry, not this page.